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Lewisham in top ten 'dangerous places'
Lewisham was placed 10th in a league table of
Lewisham was placed 10th in a league table of "violent crime against the person."

LEWISHAM has been named among the top ten most violent places in the country and the top five most violent boroughs in London.

Research by the personal safety charity, Suzy Lamplugh Trust, based on figures from the Home Office, found 33 out of 1000 people were victims of "violence against the person" in the 2007/08 financial year.

In this period there were 8, 376 violent offences committed against people in Lewisham - an increase of 314 from the previous year meaning the borough jumps up ten places.

The report comes after seven murders in the borough from July last year to July this year.

However, Lewisham police's head of partnership, Superintendent Lisa Crook, defended the police pointing to a 8.6 percent drop in the number of wounding offences and a 16 percent reduction in crimes involving the possession of offensive weapons.

She said: "The increases in violent crime have been at the less serious end of the scale including harassment and common assault arising from domestic violence situations.

"We will strive to better our past achievements and still further reduce crime, but it should be remembered that for the majority of people in the borough, Lewisham remains a vibrant, exciting and safe place to live, work and enjoy."

Meanwhile the Mayor of Lewisham, Sir Steve Bullock, said: "We will place extra emphasis on working with schools and community groups to help reinforce a more widely recognised social and moral code of conduct.

"We are very keen to continue to involve the local community in setting priorities and we will continue to address any fear of crime."

Violence against the person offences in England and Wales per 1,000 population (2007/08):

Most dangerous places:

1. North Manchester - 44

2. Sheffield - 40

3. Southampton - 38

4. City of Westminster - 36

5. Leicester City - 34

6. Middlesbrough - 34

7. Hackney - 34

8. Kingston Upon Hull - 33

9. Southwark - 33

10. Lewisham - 33

"Violence against the person" crimes include:

Murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, grievous bodily harm, harassment, common assault, possession of weapons with intent.

10:52am Monday 1st September 2008

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Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, Lovely, Law-abiding, Bexley Village on 12:28pm Mon 1 Sep 08
I wonder why Erith, Thamesmead, Dartford and Swanley are not on the list?

Most strange!

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Posted by: lou lou, greenwich on 12:46pm Mon 1 Sep 08
are we some what surprised by these statistics?? it's hardly new news for me!!
Posted by: demographic, Meopham on 2:58pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Erastus, the survey takes data from Borough councils. You will be mentioning street names next you fool.
Posted by: Mrs H, Lewisham on 3:57pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Its exactly these kinds of pointless statistics that fuel the crime that we see. This information will generate a buzz or fear, or panic and people living in or coming to the area are going to want to "secure" themselves in this "dangerous" area..we all know what happens next...
Posted by: Ben, Belvedere on 4:33pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Those stats are a load of crap.

Lambeth borough is the worst in London if not England for Murder and violent crimes commited yet it's not even on the list. Last time I checked the MET Police crime stats it had something like 24 murders in the last 12 months.

This was followed by Newham, Southwark, and Hackney which all had the next highest murder/violent crime stats.

Also no mention of Birmingham and Nottingham which would also make the top 10 although no quite as high as the worst London boroughs.

Posted by: knowlsey, sidcup on 5:00pm Mon 1 Sep 08
To be fair Erastus unless its an intenet cafe or your mothers house you wouldnt have been there so you wouldnt know how dangerous it is you crazy fool.
Posted by: Big Ben, EARTH on 6:48pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Its exactly these kinds of pointless statistics that fuel the crime that we see


I take your point Mrs H. The criminals of Southampton will be looking to knock North Manchester from top spot next year, so they'll go out and do more crime to move up the table.
Posted by: John, Mottingham on 8:36pm Mon 1 Sep 08
What a load of rubbish, stats dont mean anything we all know that you can make stats say whatever you want them to say. Example 33 out of 1000 people were victims of "violence against the person" in the 2007/08 you then put it the other way round 967 out of 1000 people were not victims of "violence crime against the person" in the 2007/08. This then makes the figures look better. STATS ARE A WASTE OF SPACE.
Posted by: Excalibur, Bromley on 11:05pm Mon 1 Sep 08
However, Lewisham police's head of partnership, Superintendent Lisa Crook, defended the police "....but it should be remembered that for the majority of people in the borough, Lewisham remains a vibrant, exciting and safe place to live, work and enjoy."
Wow, Lisa Crook's really been trained well in the New Labour 'bury your head in the sand & deny it's happening' speak. Spin it how you want, the truth is out there! (PS. Has there ever been a more aptly named police officer for a place like Lewisham?)
Posted by: Seamus, Lee on 11:17pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Excalibur wrote:
However, Lewisham police's head of partnership, Superintendent Lisa Crook, defended the police "....but it should be remembered that for the majority of people in the borough, Lewisham remains a vibrant, exciting and safe place to live, work and enjoy."
Wow, Lisa Crook's really been trained well in the New Labour 'bury your head in the sand & deny it's happening' speak. Spin it how you want, the truth is out there! (PS. Has there ever been a more aptly named police officer for a place like Lewisham?)
Stop it you unfunny pointless little man.Tory scum.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 2:17am Tue 2 Sep 08
The increases in violent crime have been at the less serious end of the scale including harassment and common assault arising from domestic violence situations

i see met police officers still haven't improved their attitude towards domestic violence

on average two women are murdered every week (england and wales) at the hands of partners or ex-partners

far from being 'at the less serious end of the scale', domestic violence is extremely serious because of repeat victimisation and the pattern of escalation of violence
Posted by: stevo, sidcup on 10:25am Tue 2 Sep 08
This has nothing to do with etnicity more to do with the level of povety, nasty areas or poor areas attract more crime due to the people who intend to inhabit that area. These sort of people are in every borough its just that in a poorer area they are less diluted. This is not a race issue more to do with the poverty level. Lewisham has been going downhill for decades as you can tell from the hight street, pound shops and southern fried chicken.
Posted by: Jennifer, Bexley on 10:36am Tue 2 Sep 08
Agree with Cassie, Bromley. Well said.
Posted by: wouldn't you like to know, ERITH on 2:22pm Tue 2 Sep 08
Your Lord you really are one sad man grow up
Why make out your so much better than other people? i mean bexley village isnt that great neither is it
Theres problems all over the borough so leave it out
Posted by: mr2wheels100, Beckenham on 3:51pm Tue 2 Sep 08
Can Cassie actually read a map? The Met police area is basically everything WITHIN the M25; Cassie is going on about the domestic violence murders for England and Wales! How can the Met police be responsible for crimes in Penzance or Carlisle? I thought the whole discussion was about Lewisham being a dangerous area? Or is this just another feminist jumping on a soap box
Posted by: Gypo on 4:32pm Tue 2 Sep 08
"Or is this just another feminist jumping on a soap box"

Mr2 you got her in one. Now though you will have her rantings for ever and ever on this subject.

Cassie you bore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted by: betterthanyou, lewisham on 5:56pm Tue 2 Sep 08
cassie wrote:
The increases in violent crime have been at the less serious end of the scale including harassment and common assault arising from domestic violence situations i see met police officers still haven't improved their attitude towards domestic violence on average two women are murdered every week (england and wales) at the hands of partners or ex-partners far from being 'at the less serious end of the scale', domestic violence is extremely serious because of repeat victimisation and the pattern of escalation of violence
so should the police be blamed for domestic violence or should the people actually commiting these crimes be ?
Posted by: LisaB, London SE on 12:39am Wed 3 Sep 08
cassie wrote:
The increases in violent crime have been at the less serious end of the scale including harassment and common assault arising from domestic violence situations i see met police officers still haven't improved their attitude towards domestic violence on average two women are murdered every week (england and wales) at the hands of partners or ex-partners far from being 'at the less serious end of the scale', domestic violence is extremely serious because of repeat victimisation and the pattern of escalation of violence
I was thinking the same about her rather offensive comment cassie.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 12:53am Wed 3 Sep 08
mr2wheels100, Beckenham - you have somehow completely missed the point, of course i wasn't suggesting the mps is responsible for all domestic violence throughout the country -

i was commenting on the mps attitude towards domestic violence

seeking to dismiss a rise in violent crime by saying it wasn't serious violence only domestic violence is utterly disgraceful

i don't have the latest stats immediately to hand but for example a met police report in october 2003 stated that domestic homicide accounts for approximately 25% of all homicides in London and 35% in england and wales
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 12:59am Wed 3 Sep 08
Mr2 you got her in one. Now though you will have her rantings for ever and ever on this subject.Cassie you bore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zz


says it all about gypo, continuing the bully mentality on a story about domestic violence
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:05am Wed 3 Sep 08
so should the police be blamed for domestic violence or should the people actually commiting these crimes be ?

the police do have some responsibility for domestic violence when their attitude towards it is aiding and abetting the perpetrators
Posted by: edward, catford on 2:50pm Wed 3 Sep 08
I have lived in lewisham all my life and never been a victim of any mugging or assult. so it makes me wonder if this is exaggerated. but then again I suppose most of these things happen late at night or between 3pm to 5 pm when schoolkids are comming home. both of wich times I'm never out of the house or college
Posted by: Harvey, Lewisham on 10:52am Thu 4 Sep 08
cassie wrote:
so should the police be blamed for domestic violence or should the people actually commiting these crimes be ? the police do have some responsibility for domestic violence when their attitude towards it is aiding and abetting the perpetrators
Aiding and abetting the perpetrators?
You've just shown yourself up as a socialist, police-hating, mad, raving feminist with that misleading and paranoid statement. I bet your carers really have a full-time job dealing with you, looney-tunes.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:48am Fri 5 Sep 08
Harvey, Lewisham on 10:52am Thu 4 Sep 08

it isn't a misleading nor paranoid statement - when the police don't take appropriate action then they are actively encouraging the perpetrators

oh and your behaviour - aggressive bullying name-calling, mindless insults - is totally unacceptable but i expect you've been allowed to get away with it time and time again

i pity your family
Posted by: Gypo on 12:36pm Fri 5 Sep 08
"i pity your family"

We all pity yours, you boring freak.
Posted by: Oz Springs, Deptford on 7:41pm Fri 5 Sep 08
I thought it was only central Lewisham that was considered dangerous - not the whole borough. That's what the report said.
Posted by: Drew, Dartford on 11:20am Sat 6 Sep 08
All these areas are ****holes, and everyone knows it.
I grew up in Peckham and didn't realise how bad it was until I left and looked at it as an outsider.
People living in these areas don't realise how bad they are until they have the opportunity of getting out and sleeping without the sound of police sirens, arguements in the streets,braking glass, screams, you name it.
I'll ask this question? how many people living in these areas are happy with their children out after dark, and how many sit behind the door waiting for the kids too call for that lift home, or to say they've arrived safely at their friends house?
That's when people are happy where they live?
Posted by: Harvey, Lewisham on 3:07pm Sat 6 Sep 08
cassie wrote:
Harvey, Lewisham on 10:52am Thu 4 Sep 08 it isn't a misleading nor paranoid statement - when the police don't take appropriate action then they are actively encouraging the perpetrators oh and your behaviour - aggressive bullying name-calling, mindless insults - is totally unacceptable but i expect you've been allowed to get away with it time and time again i pity your family
Get some help cassie, you irrational and paranoid freak.
Posted by: South East, South East on 9:12pm Sat 6 Sep 08
I agree Lewisham and Cstford are very bad areas with very high crime rates. But also agree Erith,Dartford, Gravesend, Thamesmead
Bexleyheath. Woolwich, Plumstead and even Greenwich should be on list. All have their youth problems, gang problems and anti social behaviour caused by drink and drugs. We need an high police presence, 24 hours a day, 24 hour PSCO's, stop and search and zero tolerance to gang fights and street crime. With all street crime fights and muggings being fully followed up by the police. People must not be allowed to get a way with it any longer. Decent, honest law abiding people have the right to walk the streets safely at anytime of the day or night with out being attacked or abused. Politicians need to sit up, listen take note and take the appropriate actions now.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 11:40pm Sat 6 Sep 08
Gypo on 12:36pm Fri 5 Sep 08 We all pity yours, you boring freak.

and that just shows exactly why i feel very sorry, and concerned, for your family
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 11:45pm Sat 6 Sep 08
Harvey, Lewisham on 3:07pm today
Get some help cassie, you irrational and paranoid freak


it is entirely obvious from your unacceptable behaviour that you are the one who needs help
Posted by: Gypo on 1:40am Sun 7 Sep 08
"it is entirely obvious from your unacceptable behaviour"

Unacceptable to who ?
Only maybe you, and your left wing, PC, feminist cronies.
Get real freak.
Posted by: Harvey, Lewisham on 8:13am Mon 8 Sep 08
cassie wrote:
Harvey, Lewisham on 3:07pm today Get some help cassie, you irrational and paranoid freak it is entirely obvious from your unacceptable behaviour that you are the one who needs help
As I said before - get some help cassie, you irrational and paranoid freak.
Posted by: stevo, sidcup on 12:13pm Mon 8 Sep 08
Behave I am able to walk down lewisham high street late at night without concern for personal saftey. This nothing to with being black, its povety simple as that. In a majority white culture where we the dominant race inhabit the majority of well paid jobs, get the best education, and get the best starts in life what do you expect in a povety ridden toss whole. It will be the minority that lives in them who wants to live in these areas. Its not that violent have you been to east london recently, lets all get off our high horses stop blaming other races and cultures and start acting like adults. This has nothing to do with race other than the fact we live in a one sided culture where we get all the breaks despite the illusion of fair ness and equality.
Posted by: SAM, BOW on 6:23pm Mon 8 Sep 08
Who say lewisham is bad - is a lovely place mon.
i de det me chicken a pease luvlery
Posted by: SAM, BOW on 8:45pm Mon 8 Sep 08
YES MASSA I LUV DE LEWISHAM MAN - OH ME DO DAH DAH - LET ME GET ME RICEN PEAS N KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:19am Tue 9 Sep 08
Gypo on 1:40am Sun 7 Sep 08 Unacceptable to who ? Only maybe you, and your left wing, PC, feminist cronies. Get real freak.

unacceptable to everyone but those who do it...although of course it's unacceptable to them too when they are on the receiving end rather than dishing it out
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:23am Tue 9 Sep 08
Harvey, Lewisham on 8:13am Mon 8 Sep 08
As I said before - get some help cassie, you irrational and paranoid freak


as i said before it is entirely obvious from your unacceptable behaviour that you are the one who needs help
Posted by: Harvey, Lewisham on 6:57am Tue 9 Sep 08
cassie wrote:
Harvey, Lewisham on 8:13am Mon 8 Sep 08 As I said before - get some help cassie, you irrational and paranoid freak as i said before it is entirely obvious from your unacceptable behaviour that you are the one who needs help
Zzzzzzzzz - freak.
Posted by: Gypo on 11:49am Tue 9 Sep 08
DING DONG...wake up cassie. More and more people on here are all trying to tell you the same thing. You are a boring, left wing, PC, feminist freak.
Helllllllllllloooooo

, your lights are on, but it seems no one is home in your head.
Posted by: London Calling, London on 6:27pm Thu 11 Sep 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:
I wonder why Erith, Thamesmead, Dartford and Swanley are not on the list? Most strange! Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Because, they are obviously not as bad, you fool. You are one pompous idiot! So, you know areas like Swanley, Thamesmead and Dartford and the crime rates? You need to liven up, son!
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 10:41pm Thu 11 Sep 08
Harvey, Lewisham on 6:57am Tue 9 Sep 08 Zzzzzzzzz - freak.

as i said before it is entirely obvious from your unacceptable behaviour - ie your playground bully name-calling - that you are the one who needs help
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 10:51pm Thu 11 Sep 08
Gypo on 11:49am Tue 9 Sep 08 DING DONG...wake up cassie. More and more people on here are all trying to tell you the same thing. You are a boring, left wing, PC, feminist freak.

i can see why you and your ilk would object to someone saying everyone should be made to feel welcome here, and that bullying personal attacks should be removed
Posted by: Gypo on 11:43pm Thu 11 Sep 08
Cassie of course you are weloome to post your views. Just as I am to tell you that you are a boring freak. Now go Google some facts to bore us some more.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:00am Sat 13 Sep 08
Gypo on 11:43pm Thu 11 Sep 08 Cassie of course you are weloome to post your views

obviously not by you though, goodness knows why you think you can dictate who can or can't post here

Just as I am to tell you that you are a boring freak.

you fail to grasp the difference though, you make personal attacks, you just do name-calling, insulting - that isn't 'giving your views' it is behaving like a playground bully

Now go Google some facts to bore us some more

i can see why you would find factual information boring
Posted by: Gypo on 2:15am Sun 14 Sep 08
"obviously not by you though, goodness knows why you think you can dictate who can or can't post here"

Obviously you cannot read. Post away, I find you a boring left wing, feminist, freak though. If you dont like my view of you, too bad. I also don't give a f' about what you think of me.
OK boring. If you find stats interesting, Google away, be my guest.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 11:04pm Sun 14 Sep 08
Gypo on 2:15am today Obviously you cannot read. Post away

i am posting, despite your attempts to bully me into stopping

I find you a boring left wing, feminist, freak though.

i find you an extremely stupid bully...but as i've pointed out before if we all spent our time telling everyone we found boring / an extremely stupid bully that they are boring / an extremely stupid bully then every comment board would simply be full of posts saying 'your boring' / 'an extremely stupid bully'...

and as i also said, shame you apparently couldn't read it, while i can see that you might find that most interesting and stimulating, to the majority of people over the age of five it would be mindnumbingly boring

If you dont like my view of you, too bad.

i couldn't care less what your view of me is...it's your playground bully mentality i dislike

I also don't give a f' about what you think of me

the feeling is entirely mutual....but you keep posting to me

OK boring. If you find stats interesting, Google away, be my guest

ok bully if you find name calling and bullying interesting post away, be my guest...

just do stop whingeing when you get back what you dish out
Posted by: Gypo on 11:42pm Sun 14 Sep 08
You've changed your tune cassie. I have never told you to stop posting ever. Post away, I find the rantings of a left wing feminist freak like you mundane. All you ever do is accuse people who tell you what you don't like of bullying. ' Cant get my own way ' "your a bully".

The hard facts of life are, you are a boring nerd. Now tell me different. I have all the time in the world. :)
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:43am Tue 16 Sep 08
Gypo on 11:42pm Sun 14 Sep 08 You've changed your tune cassie

no, i'm saying the same here as i've said in reply to your untold posts to me

I have never told you to stop posting ever

lol - on another board i posted a comment about the story...you then chose to start insulting me personally - not disagreeing with the content of my comment but attacking me personally...

and you continued name calling over and over and over and over and over again...

that board has 102 comments of which only about 5 are re the story...

the rest are all you and your 'friends' calling me names and my subsequent replies...

i posted a comment on this board re the story...you continued your name calling here and again have been continuing it over and over...

so spare us your phoney indignation that you've never told me not to post because of course there is no other reason you have repeatedly insulted me over and over and over...

your behaviour, your ceaseless insults, clearly show that you have tried to bully me into not posting, that has been your intention...and everyone can see that

I find the rantings of a left wing feminist freak like you mundane

and you continue yet again ...so, yet again in reply , i find your bully mentality stupid and unacceptable

All you ever do is accuse people who tell you what you don't like of bullying. 'Cant get my own way ' "your a bully

no, you insist on repeatedly posting your 'view' of me over and over and over so i reply with my view of you...

your behaviour and untold posts to me repeating the same thing over and over and over show you are obviously the one who wants their own way...

and you are obviously the one who doesn't like getting back what you choose to dish out

The hard facts of life are, you are a boring nerd

and there you go yet again ...and yet again in reply the hard facts of life are you are a stupid bully...

Now tell me different.

i have explained that is of course subjective...

of course we can all see why you - someone who continually posts the same insults over and over and over and over again - would think i'm boring...

and think that posting the same insults over and over and over again is interesting and exciting...well bullies do don't they

I have all the time in the world. :)

i'm not surprised you have all the time in the world...

i'm very busy but i'll be sure to find time to try to help you realise your ridiculous attempts to bully only make you look deranged and are not getting you anywhere :)
Posted by: Gypo on 12:02pm Tue 16 Sep 08
"i'm very busy but i'll be sure to find time to try to help you realise your ridiculous attempts to bully only make you look deranged and are not getting you anywhere :)"

You are deranged you freak.

Next !

PS, your punctuation has slipped.
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 1:37am Fri 19 Sep 08
Gypo on 12:02pm Tue 16 Sep 08 ...You are deranged you freak.

your behaviour shows you are the deranged freak

Next !

next?

PS, your punctuation has slipped.

ps as i said i'm busy...and my punctuation hasn't slipped as much as your manners
Posted by: Gypo on 10:31pm Wed 24 Sep 08
Next !
Posted by: cassie, bromley on 10:45pm Wed 24 Sep 08
Gypo on 10:31pm today Next !

next?
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